Your opinion matters....American, Norwegian or just Me?

Your opinion matters... I want you to be honest...seriously... I would even like all of the lurkers to comment..because I really..R E A L L Y want to know... is it Norwegian, American or just me?

For 12 years Bjørn and I have had a disagreement... which I doubt we will
E V E R... E V E R..agree on...

The problem with being a multi-cultural family is this... anytime there is something you don't like... it is very EASY to say that something is VERY NORWEGIAN... or AMERICAN... but then again it could be just me....

There have been a lot of things I have disliked here(in Norway) which I have muttered under my breath ... "that is sooo Norwegian..." when in all actuality... it is just "soooo my husbands family...."

(I am sure he thinks the same about Americans/my family....)

OK the question is this..... What are your thoughts on people dropping in on you unexpected?

Bjørn thinks it's KOSELIG... (nice)... I think, its.... RUDE... & it pisses me off.... Now to be honest, it is primarily his family who does it....

I am not talking about dropping something off, I am talking about... coming over to someones house & expecting to be invited in (served coffee & hanging out for a few hours) without calling & letting them know or ASKING if it is OK....

I mean, you don't know what is going on in my house... I could be in the middle of screwing or screaming.... (we have kids now... so it is usually just the screaming bit.... but I don't want to be interrupted....)

I had one lady...nice enough girl, show up at 4:30 in the afternoon (with her kids) as I am trying to get dinner started, & the house picked up before Bjørn got home for work... Ummm. not a good time to expect coffee & a nice long chat.

Bjørn thinks I am particularly bitchy when it comes to uninvited visitors... but let me put it this way... I work full time, i have 2 children which I am primary care giver...I volunteer , I try to keep a semi clean house... So if I have some free time & I wanted to spend time with you...
I would INVITE you over.... If I don't call, don't come knocking.... Please...

Now of course, when these uninvited/announced, I invite them in...I will put the coffee on (that's what we do over here...) but it really pisses me off....

You would think after all of the eye rolling, after all of the years his family would take the hint... but they don't. (& sometimes they even open the door without knocking or ringing the bell...)

I don't remember every doing this or having it done while we lived in the states... (maybe in college...) & I know my American friends here in Norway would never do it....

Who is wrong? who is right? Is it American or Norwegian or just me?

Comments

Jen Sue Wild said…
I don't think it's American or Norwegian thing I think it's a personality thing. I hate when people just show up and interrupt my day. Now if it's my BFF and doesn't expect to be entertained I am totally OK with that. But when People expect me to drop what they are doing just for me to entertain them that makes me mad.

Now my BFF it dosent bother her in the least. I know a lot of pepole that it dosent bother.
Ronda's Rants said…
Somewhere between nice and rude...cop out...you betcha!
It would drive me insane however!
My Dad stopped us (his adult children)of the bad habit of dropping by without calling by saying...you need to call first...Your Mother and I might be screwing!
It was NEVER a problem again! :)
Dirty old man!
Ash said…
Drives me nuts!! I have a lovely little neighbor two houses down whose little boy always shows up at our doorstep right around 5 - when his mom starts making dinner.

Well what the %^$# do you think I'm trying to do? Without an extra kid in the mix, thank you.

You're right.
I absolutely agree with you. It's EXTREMELY rude and 9 times out of 10 I would be mortified if someone showed up at my house unannounced! Craziness! I don't know what kind of "thing" it is... but I do know that if my outlaws (er.. inlaws) lived closer they would do this and they're from Mexico. LOL
Lizzie said…
i agree with jen sue... it's the family. i can't speak for Norwegians (although my grandmother moved to america from there and i am as norweigian as they come in america, ha ha)

my mom ALWAYS gives me a heads up, not cause she doesn't want to surprise me but she understands that i have small kids and my life is crazy and if i get even 15 minutes notice i can make my home presentable. i HATE when my house looks all frumpy and someone comes by.

i also don't think they are trying to be rude (again, i don't know them... so maybe) he should ask them to call first, if they don't then answer the door in a bed sheet and act all "oh no, my hubby and i were just... um... well.. you know!" Then, they might start calling :)
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Debie Napoleon said…
I agree - I keep the front door locked to avoid the "just walking in" thing, but I think it is just so rude to come by without calling first. Especially in this day and age of cell phone!
That would drive me NUTTERS!!!!!! Really truly and positively nutters! You are totally normal for feeling that way :)
Mrs4444 said…
American or Norwiegan, it's just rude. We know about 2-3 couples who do this, and my husband doesn't EVER mind it, but I HATE it. He loves to entertain. I like planned entertaining. :)
Frizzy said…
I prefer a little notice unless it's my family (whom I know I don't have to clean up clutter for or entertain.) My biggest reason is because I don't appreciate my doorbell ringing causing my 3 dogs to bark and wake up my daughter. I never had Italians stop by unannounced while living in Italy (other than salesmen or Mormons) so I think it just depends. On the other hand, my landlord stops by unnanounced here in CA no matter how many times I tell him to call first.
Cammie said…
Im going to stop by sometime this week and we can talk about it.

BWAHHHHahahahaha
Mammatalk said…
I don't like it. I feel it's rude. It is inconsiderate of your time and your schedule.

And, love the "Screaming or screwing" thing. Too funny!
PiNG aka Patti said…
It's not Norwegian - there are plenty of American familes that do it as well. Thankfully, mine isn't one of them! I must know in advance if someone is coming - I would be horrified if I didn't at least have time to vacuum!!
KCLC said…
I am there with ya sista !!!
Since we have no family and very few friends here in Cali, we very seldom have that problem.
If ya'll lived in the states would your hubby mind if YOU were not home, and YOUR family and friends and all there kids showed up unannounced just as he was about to take a nap/shower whatever?
But sometimes I think it is a mans thing to not care( think of all the bachlor pads you have been in). And women are too tired to shoot the shit with people while trying to cook the macaroni and cheese for the screaming hungry kids who still need to do their homework, as you make apologies for the dirty underwear on the bathroom floor while asking them would they like some cream in their coffee.
Stephanie said…
I believe the "social norm" in america is not to come over unexpected...even if you are family. I even call my grandma to tell her I am comiing and she wouldnt care if I did or not. Now I am married to a Brazilian, and it is alright for his friends to just come over whenever and it drove me CRAZY! And Im sure if we end up in Brazil, his family will do the SAME thing...in fact I am positive they will. Ugh. Sorry pal, but I do believe it varies from country to country what the socially acceptable thing to do is.
I DESPISE drop-ins. It's incredibly rare. But I don't like it. My girls play with the kids next door. And their dad - instead of calling to say the kids should come home - he comes over. And then he wants to chat with me. I just want to go back to what I was doing.

And my mom lives with us. But for some reason she gave my brother a key. So sometimes he comes over. Unannounced. And just lets himself in. It scares me to death. I wish he'd call. Even from the driveway. One day I think I'll just drop dead. That'll teach him :-)
Scary Mommy said…
Whatever it is, I can't stand it!!! I think it's regional within the states- I never had it up north, but in the south it was totally accepted. I never got on board with it though.

(And you had me cracking up with your post to me. Men can be SUCH freaking morons!!)
Anonymous said…
i am not a big fan of people dropping in unexpected. actually...i HATE it. and i never do it, either. i hate when people...friends EXCLUDED...call and say that they are stopping by. they don't ask. they announce. and, what if i was to announce that...when they arrive, expect the door to be double locked and the shades to be pulled down.
hate. unexpected dropper by-ers...only if they are family. friends...stop by. i'll get some coffee brewing and bake you some cookies!!
Anonymous said…
I've been a lurker for months, but with this post I had to comment!!

I always read your blog to my husband, who is Norwegian but has been living in the states for a couple years with me (American), it has been a great catalyst for some lively and fiesty discussions (I've never lived in Norway, only visted, but we are planning to move in 2010).

Any who, I asked my husband about this issue and he said it depends upon where you live in Norway. In the cities "dropping in" is not as common, but in the country side (his parents live up North in Tromsø) it is a must to have coffee and cakes on hand for the unannounced guest.

With that being said, I tend to think its a more of a Norwegian thing (and so does he). Either way it is not koselig but extremely inconsiderate! Am I suppose to keep my house and myself in perfect condition all the time (and we don't even have kids!)?? What if I want to wear those hungry butt grey sweat pants all day? What if I do not want to keep my bathroom in pristine condition all the time? Ugh, the nerve...

Love your blog!
Anonymous said…
Ya, I'm with you on this one. Do not 'just stop by' my house. It's annoying. I think what Jen Sue said hits the mark - in my opinion it's more of a personality thing because I know people who love it when others just pop in but I can't stand it. Matter of fact, I prefer a day's notice! LOL
Also if it's someone who doesn't expect to be entertained and is cool with plopping on the couch while I mop the floors then sure - but don't come over (especially with kids) and expect me to be cordial!
Anonymous said…
I'm married to a European and he agrees with Bjorn, it's nice. Its one reason we always have biscuits (or cookies for all the Yanks reading) teas, and various chocolates on hands...for drop ins. Europeans see this differently than Americans I think. They tend to be more laid back and relaxed and not go go go go go all the time like Americans. They are less scheduled and not always in a rush. For my two cents I think it's a cultural thing. Although I do have friends here in the states that really don't mind drop ins. They just don't tend to put on a huge spread like the Brits or other Europeans do.

Lately though it really irritates me to have people come by before they call and thats mostly because I'm pretty anti-social lately. Depression does that to a person. But I also have a three year old and sometimes it's disruptive to her schedule.

When I lived in the UK with the hubby after we married, it wasn't any huge deal to him to have people drop by. Often I was put out though because I wasn't prepared and it was a tad irritating.

I don't know that anyone is WRONG or RIGHT...I do know that I think it's polite to call before you drop in, but again, I think it's just how we as Americans are raised.
sues2u2 said…
I would totally advise you to answer the door in your almost b-day suit but it probably wouldn't work over there! (it wouldn't have worked for me in Germany!)

It would totally & completely send me out of my mind & unfortunately I'd probably say something. Told my mil off & completely alienated her for a few years. Too bad it wasn't longer!
Becky said…
Whatever the nationality, it's just plain 'ol rude! Holy Cow woman I would go insane having company pop over unannounced like that. Grin and bear it I guess.
Kelli Nørgaard said…
I have always thought it was awful.... you just do not do that in Texas... what if my house was not clean or I was not cute?!?! Well, the first time it happened here, I was a bit put out.. and Mads could not understand it.... I kept talking about how I wished I had vacuumed the rug or something...
but then I realized the one dropping in, does not care about the rug. He was close by our street and wanted to "hygge sig" with us...just come in for a coffee or a beer (which I have since learned, ALWAYS HAVE ON HAND! YOU CAN NEVER BE OUT OF COFFEE OR BEER!!) and see how we were... I still cannot be the one "who does the dropping in" but I am learning to chill out and quit worrying about whether or not the rug is vacuumed....
and if I were screaming, I stop.
but if I were screwing (direct quote there...lol), we DO NOT ANSWER THE DOOR! :o)
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Skogkjerring said…
This has happened to me a lot too, especially when we lived near Stig's family, not so much here yet..but I hated it. I have four dogs and three kids, I NEVER have a clean house, even though I do attempt to try and have one, there is always hair, always toys, always clothing, dirty plates lying around..you name it..And my mother in law NEVER EVER came over when my house was clean, she ALWAYS came when it was dirty..and she would complain to others in the family how dirty my house was but the bitch never announced when she was coming so I could try and clean up, and if she did call it was like half an hour before she was coming...if I was lucky. I never said anything of course but I know many times I would take the kids into the bedroom and hide when someone knocked on the door..pretending we were out exercising or something....more something then exercising, but point was we were "gone"...we didn't live really close to anyone, so when they left we could go about our business as usual....hahahaha....no, my kids didn't think mommy was weird, that just was how it was done around here...hahahaha...whether it's an American thing or Norwegian thing I'm not sure, I don't recall people dropping by unexpectedly in America but I was a kid or a teen and probably didn't care if they did..so I don't recall really...but I think rude people are everywhere not just one country..but i hear you when you say it's easy to call it a norwegian thing when it's something you don't like..been there done that....
Unknown said…
I deleted my post cause I said I hated Invited guests, meant to say uninvited guests (could have been Freudian though..)

Anyway I think it's cultural. No one would have ever thought of doing that to us in the US. No one does here either as all our friends are single and don't have cars and we live no where near the nearest train station :) Then again all our friends are American.
Anonymous said…
Hmmm - very interesting comments. I suppose all the people who don't like drop-ins are from America or UK?

We are talking about cultural differences here. Another cultural difference is that American and UK families would never let their kids play unsupervised or in the dark.

One thing that I am learning living in Norway is that I can't live like an Australian anymore. That doesn't mean that I am giving up my 'Australianess'. But what it does mean is that I need to be able to accept and appreciate the new customs of the new country I'm living in. Otherwise I will go insane being in conflict with everything in my new life. You cannot hold onto your old ideology and survive Norway - you need to progress - otherwise your own mindset will give you so much grief. (And it seems like it is.)

I was once told when I first moved here that I need to forget everyting I know and accept what I have. Accepting the Norwegian customs will not take away your Americaness - it won't change who you are. Being American is about loving your country, loving freedom - not about holding onto the belief that drop-ins are rude. You cannot live an American life in Norway - but you can certainly live a Norwegian life as an American.

The quicker you do what Norwegians do best - 'to let it go' - the sooner you will be happy living in Norway and having a Norwegian family.
Unknown said…
L-Jay... I have learned to accept many things about living here... There are some great things about living here.. especially in regards to the safety of children... but having his family over uninvited... when I have stuff to do... or even if I don't .. I don't think I will ever get used to... we have been going over this for 12 years now... Bjørn is going to think it is nice... I am going to think it is rude & intrusive... as long as we understand that neither of us is going to change or view on this I guess we will have to live with it... & for the record my family NEVER EVER dropped in unannounced on us when we lived in the states...
Anonymous said…
I think it must be a family thing. But I'm with you, it's a little rude, even if it's family. Or friends for that matter, but maybe I am a bit more of a private person than most.

Listen, I am an American who currently lives in Switzerland, but will be moving to Frederikstad, Norway this year to be with my Norwegian boyfriend. Would love some insight from a fellow American living in Frederikstad - can't imagine there are many of us there! If you don't mind a slew of questions, pls send me an email at redmond.e@gmail.com.

Thanks!!
Liz
It would piss me off!!! And the funny thing is I'm American. LOL! I don't think it's just a Norweigan thing either. I had a friend that was from Brazil that said it was just like that in Brazil but she didn't like it either. And I also have to let my parents know I am coming over. Sorry you have to deal with that. Sounds like you are between a rock and a hard place. No pun intended. lol
Batgirl said…
I hate it when people stop by without being invited. Sometimes it's my family, and sometimes friends. Basically, I've now told them that I will not answer the door if they haven't called in advance. There's usually two reasons for this. 1: I'm still in my dressing gown, enjoying a lazy weekend. 2: My place is a total mess, or as my mom says "a bombed whorehouse" (I've no idea what that looks like, but that's her general definition of a house not suitable to be viewed by visitors). I don't like having people over without my place having been vacuumed and the bathroom given an extra once-over.

Most people call ahead now, and my mom might call ahead maybe 10 minutes away (which gives me a chance to tidy up or say I'm not home. Oh the joy of only having a mobile!). Last time she stopped by without calling I was away. My car was here, but I was abroad. Apparently, they tried to get my attention through my garden, and complained that the curtains were drawn! Here's a novel idea: call first!

My mom can't stand unexpected visitors either, but that really only applies to when the house is a mess. My mom, sister and grandma live next door to one another, and don't tend to show up unannounced. There's a little unofficial rule, that started back when my uncle (living in what's now my sister's house) found himself a girlfriend, and didn't want us little girls walking in on something...:

If the door's locked, we ring the bell, if no one answers, it means they're not in the mood for visitors. If the door's unlocked, we ring the bell, and walk in, yelling: "It's just me!" We do not expect to be fed or given drinks. I think that's the height of rudeness, as you may not have anything in the fridge/cabinets that day! I think I have some tortilla chips somewhere, but that's about it. Water, wine or Guinness is all I have to offer to drink, so people have come to not expect coffee at my place.

In rural Norway, it's a lot more common to have people stop by unexpectedly, and the coffee is usually on. Although I think you'd be able to see the visitors coming a long way off :-)
Batgirl said…
Oh, and I'm Norwegian, well, half anyway, so it's not just Americans, Brits, etc. who find it rude :-)
The housewife said…
I grew up in the country side in Norway and I have always considered it to be the norm. Only when I moved to South Africa and England did I realize that it's not a Universal norm and that some people don't like it.

My husband hates the thought of people just popping in uninvited but I have already explained to him that he just has to get used to it because it will happen a lot when we move to Fredrikstad.

It's not always convenient but I still think it is 'koslig'. It's actually one of the things that I miss about Norway.

So yes, I think it is part of Norwegian culture but mostly in smaller places. I have heard that things work very differently in Oslo.

Psst Tressa - promise I'll phone you before I come to visit (bwahahaha)
Anonymous said…
Oh - you're so lucky. Perhaps we could swap? You see, here in Stockholm, it is never done to turn up unannounced at someone's house. You have to get your diaries out, synchronize them, and then book a date several months ahead... In my opinion, this is a crazy way of having a friendship!!

In England, where I come from, we were always popping in on one another and drinking cups of tea. I really really miss that part of my life. The spontaneity, easy friendship, being sociable. No wonder people are so depressed and isolated over here!!

If people turn up and I'm busy, then I just say so. Or I give them a cuppa tea and then just get on with the dinner. And then tell them gently but firmly that it's time to go.
Anonymous said…
I see that I'm about the only one who enjoys unannounced visits! Can that really be?

I don't care if my house and hair are a mess. As Kelli says, people don't come here to judge me on that, they don't even notice it... My door is always unlocked and the house is usually full of kids visiting... especially when their mums are cooking. No problem usually - they just get on with playing and are not allowed in the kitchen. If if is a problem, then I send them home.

So, if you'd like to drop in on me in Stockholm, I'd love to see you!
Anonymous said…
I myself LOVE a drop in, but only from close friends. They either have a house key or know the garage door code. I rarely answer my door or home phone (no caller id). My good friends know to call or just let themselves in. Strangers just dropping by usually don't even get the chance to get the invite if they didn't call first. I can't be trusted to have the house, myself, or any of the kids looking presentable for a drop in.
Unknown said…
I think that it's mostly rude. I don't like it when people do that and I don't do it to other people.

Having said that, I did have a couple of close friends back in NZ, who would show up unannounced. However that was okay, and I would do the same thing with them.

We all had young kids, lived close to each other, in one case, just next door and we were comfortable with each other.

Everybody else, well, they needed to give me a call first..
Unknown said…
BTW ... it would really piss me off if my inlaws just walked into the house without knocking!!
FROGGITY! said…
BOUNDARIES: everybody needs them. I turned a family member away one time b/c our house was a WRECK. I felt bad, but then ... she should've called! We were in the middle of renovating & I wasn't in the mood for company! If other people (non family) come to the door unexpectedly, I sometimes just don't answer it. That's my prerogative. I believe in calling first and the timing of the visit!
terryct said…
We were just in Fredrikstad for six days. My Norwegian friend told us he had to call people to arrange for us to come over as Norwegians don't just drop in on people. The people knew we were coming over that day anyway, but the time had to be arranged! They almost need a written invitation for people to come to visit! So it just must be your husband's family, because it's definitely not Norwegian.
Unknown said…
Terryct... First, WOW, who knew Fredrikstad was sooo popular?

I am thinking the dropping in thing might be a NORWEGIAN FAMILY thing, because my girlfriend's inlaws drop in on them too....
terryct said…
It's actually my second time in Fredrikstad - first time was over 30 years ago! We had a lovely time, surprised at the hoar frost, lack of snow, and it's warmer than Connecticut! And all the coffee they drink!

I personally like people dropping in on me, but my house is usually a mess so that is a problem. It's best in the summer so we can hang outside!
Okay to be honest... I LOVE people to stop by out of the blue! Of course I want them to knock at the door and NOT just walk in...in case I'm SCREWING and NOT SCREAMING or maybe both! lol!

So I must be MORE NOrwegian than I thought!
WheresMyAngels said…
My husbands family just shows up alot of the time, but it doesn't bother me as I never offer them anything!! lol Plus they don't care if my house is a mess. Now anyone else, they aren't getting in my home without telling me first. As they would judge me for my messy home. That means my family! So my family best call, my inlaws, I don't care, just as long as it is after 11am, cause my husband doesn't get up til then and I don't want him cranky.
SabrinaT said…
I would grab my laptop and hide in the bedroom! Can you fake some horrible VERY contagious illness. For oh, say the next 30 years???

As for culture, I have many Japanese friends who stop by (without calling).. They ALWAYS bring cookies and sweets for the kids. I have just gotten used to it.. Maybe request cookies next time??
Jill said…
I can't stand when people do the drop by... a phone call at the very least to let me know to expect you in the next few minutes... and even then I find it disrespectful. What if I'm in my PJ"s? What if I'm in mid-scream at my kids, my dog, my husband?

Overseas it seems to happen way more than in the States... I think.

Nope, not a fan at all!
LuckyMe said…
If I worked FT and my free time was limited, I would HATE drop ins esp in-law drop ins because they would expect to be entertained.

When I had little kids and I was cooped up, I really craved adult company so drop ins were welcome if it was a very good friend, my own sister or at least someone who did NOT particularly fuss about housecleaning themselves. At least then i could assume they had a less critical eye.

Mostly, it depends on WHO is dropping in and did they bring muffins?
I have a different spin, I think it's a country mouse -vs- a city mouse thing. I grew up in the sticks of Maine and there it was the norm. Oh, people might call to make sure you were home (because nobody is right nearby) but other than that it was drop ins. Moving to the "city" was a bit of a surprise to me that everyone always always calls first with plenty of notice to the point where I am afraid to do it, even with a friend that always just drops by. She's always welcome, but some of my better half's friends I would just as soon they called (or never came at all haha)
Anonymous said…
Just tell them you'd love to talk but you are quite busy at the moment and suggest that they might call beforehand in the future. The friend will get the message after being turned away a couple of times. It's a Personal boundaries issue and you're not 'selfish' for stating what is, or is not, okay in your home.

-paul
Priscilla said…
Wow. I am totally in the minority here. I am an American who has occasionally lurked on your site. I don't think I've ever commented before. When I was a little girl growing up in the 1970's, we always had people dropping in. My parents always seemed so happy to see them. There were 5 kids in my family...so believe me, the house was sometimes quite a sight to behold. It was wonderful and I miss that. When I grew up, I was surprised to find out that it is considered rude by so many.
Now I'm an adult and no one ever drops in for a visit. Quite often I wish someone would. It has gotten so darn "polite" around here and I miss the impromptu cups of coffee.
Hepburn Hilton said…
I used to think of it as an american thing, because when I lived in Cleveland people drove me crazy with this "popping over" crap. But after reading you post, I'm thinking it's more a personality thing. I can relate as I agree completly with you that it's rude to just expect someone to have the time for a visitt. Just beacause you are home dosn't mean you are not busy! Screaming or screwing as you said or reading, realxing (hey!we all need to relax), paying bills or even working from the house. Or sometimes, my flat is a mess and I am in the middle of the laundry and I don't want to people to see my appt. looking like that. No matter, the reason - It is rude!

I had this discussion over and over again with my former live in boyfriend.... Maybe it's more a man/woman thing??
Anonymous said…
I think its just a human thing....and honestly I don't like it either. If I didn't work full time and as a single mom have to take care of the boy and house....then maybe that might be fun. But I like my downtime....whenever that is. I even call my mom and dad before I drop in on them.....
Yarni Gras! said…
its a cultural thing. I have a horror story (yikes...a few) about that but won't go there...suffice it to say that I agree with you, it is RUDE
Vera said…
I came across your blog today and just wanted to say that I like it. My family and close friends hardly ever call before they visit, but I don't mind and do the same ;-) So maybe it is European (since I am in Germany...)?
Anonymous said…
I'm a Norwegian living in the US, and even in Minnesota I think it's more GO GO GO, all the time. People are stressed out here, and the fact that Norwegians have such a good "system" with the 5 week paid vacation and laid back style, (just to mention a few)no wonder there will be a little conflict of interest. I wish that people here was more laid back, but I've adjusted to the culture here. And my point is, I think your husband's family should be able to compromise and start calling before they show up. Even when I lived in Norway, I barely ever showed up unannounced. But I do miss the culture in Norway! Nothing is unsolvable, just talk about it!. Good luck, keep the coffee warm and the waffles coming :) hehe, something we Norwegians like a lot!

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